Ian MacKaye: It doesn’t make sense to me that you wouldn’t want to remember your life.
Debra Granik: Life will go on whether you’re there or not.
MacKaye: That is success. But I think you’re right about society seeing success as a brass ring.
Granik: One of them is factoring into a project we’re doing now, a project we really did a lot of research on and liked the subject.
MacKaye: The reason we like endings is that they’re manageable.
Granik: I’m looking for hope.
MacKaye: You’re hamstrung by it.
Granik: It’s ancient. We’ve dealt with it.
MacKaye: It’s all a flight of stairs. The castles could be knocked over.
Granik: We also could do a whole film about what day-to-day disciplined survival looks like in an RV park.
MacKaye: Just do something.
Granik: I’m taking as many notes as possible, photographically, emotionally—all devices going.
MacKaye: While we’ve been talking maybe 100 people have been killed, maybe 1,000, who knows, and yet this development hasn’t affected our conversation whatsoever.
Granik: Why does the other gender do what they do?
MacKaye: I would never pretend to have an answer for you.