Ottessa Moshfegh: A lot of life doesn’t go anywhere, and what’s interesting is what happens on the inside in that time.
Kim Gordon: [Laughs] I came here to escape all that.
Moshfegh: Well, first of all, it needs to suck you in.
Gordon: That’s what happens with everything.
Moshfegh: Which means I’ve written, like, four essays.
Gordon: You know, there is a point when it doesn’t really matter how good the record we do is.
Moshfegh: People don’t really care.
Gordon: Especially in public. It’s more interesting to fight against something.
Moshfegh: That’s scary and cool and mysterious and fun.
Moshfegh: Wrapped up in that are questions about his virility, his sexuality, and how he measures up to his brother, who he sees as an oaf, but also more of a man than he is.
Gordon: Maybe he just wanted to be rich.
Moshfegh: Do we give ourselves permission to grow?
Gordon: Yeah, just to make things more confusing.
Moshfegh: I think it’s mostly just capitalism.